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kaka22milan 发表于 23-5-10 00:10
弱弱地问一句，“你真的想谈，外面有的是地方”这个地方是在哪里？我只知道在哪谈都要受到你这种“警告” ...
翻墙外网随便搞啊，或者自己建个群，把喜欢聊这些的朋友聚集在一起，你们随便怎么聊都行，你去追求你的自由又没人反对你，请不要用你的 自由影响了别人的自由。该润的润，润不了的就别瞎几吧扯淡，吃屎又嫌屎臭，就这么简单的事情。
前面有个老师说的很对，这里就是等PJ和菜鸡互啄的地方，容不下你们的高谈阔论，欢迎大神们去更自由的地方追求你的自由
观众反应
kaka22milan 发表于 23-5-10 00:10
弱弱地问一句，“你真的想谈，外面有的是地方”这个地方是在哪里？我只知道在哪谈都要受到你这种“警告” ...
很多年前就有这种帖子，骂论坛也不自由，骂论坛没有骨气
可你们知道吗？论坛每年给服务器支付很多钱，并且希望会员能保持着这么多年来的青春情结，
而没有改版面，也一直坚持没有页面乱七八糟的广告，基本上就是个人凭着热爱在支撑。
然后动不动被攻击、被举报、被找去喝茶、被罚款。
可站长在承受这些的时候，你们在哪里呢？你们为服务器花过钱吗？你们为所谓的自由付出行动吗？
难道只是动动嘴皮子？或者去别人家的地盘上撒野？
己所不欲勿施于人
站长有情怀，有对音乐的热爱，用自己的行动支撑着这块最后的据点
你为你想拥有的环境或者“据点”奉献了什么？做过什么吗？
人家爱音乐，建立了音乐论坛，每年花重金维持
你热爱的东西，你为什么不花钱花精力去创建一个地方呢？
这没毛病吧。
道德是用来约束自己的，不是别人的
kaka22milan 发表于 23-5-10 01:04
我确实是吃屎嫌屎臭，我只是挺羡慕你这些吃屎还说屎香，还要维护屎，限制别人说屎臭的……
你注册论坛12年了
一个主题没有
才回复十来个帖子，还几乎没有跟音乐相关的
我不明白你这种对论坛没有贡献也没有情感的人
是如何大言不惭在这里卖弄你廉价的清高与正义的
你的行为，其实比吃屎本身还恶心。
如果你觉得维护论坛的稳定就是维护屎，麻烦您再高雅一点，离开好吗？
毕竟你一直在展现你的傲骨，不应该说别人维护的是屎，可自己心甘情愿的还呆在屎堆里才对呀~
还是那句话：己所不欲勿施于人
妲邪 发表于 23-5-9 21:54
这个社会是不允许有人说实话吧，闷着看戏当傻子总比话多好？我不厉害，只是说说现象而已，没必要点我，说 ...
有种！ 发个毒誓再走
kaka22milan 发表于 23-5-10 00:10
弱弱地问一句，“你真的想谈，外面有的是地方”这个地方是在哪里？我只知道在哪谈都要受到你这种“警告” ...
那你以为这里能替你做主，还是有本事替天行道啊？ 本帖最后由 DLL 于 23-5-10 09:24 编辑
pianoworld上有一群人经常说pianoworld不自由，被他们管理员警告限制。去年有几个带头出走pianoworld，自己掏钱搞了个pianoclack。pianoclack上的版主说随便聊，聊啥都行。但是在pianoworld、kvr论坛、Gearspace、vi-control、musicplayer等绝大多数正儿八经的音乐论坛上，是不准谈论politics、races、religion、theology的。疫情三年聊covid19的贴子在这些论坛都不多。西方也有审查制度。能看到可以大放厥词高谈阔论的，地位类似胡x进、司m南等这种肉喇叭。能推动历史进步的都不是等闲之辈。普通人能把一生平平安安走完就不错了。
以下是引用pianoclack入坛公告:
Welcome to PianoClack!
Hello and Welcome to PianoClack
CyberGene
Why was this forum created
CyberGene
Limitations for new users
以下引用VI-control会员发帖指导:
There’s a 你吐吧 video of James Corden doing a Carpool Karaoke with Paul McCartney. It’s one of the coolest things I’ve ever seen. (Yes, I cried, too.) The cynic in me joked to my wife that as cool as it is, I’ll bet somebody out there gave it a thumbs down. Haha, right? Well, I shouldn’t have checked, because 4,000 peoplevoted thumbs down. 4,000! That’s over one percent! Sure, maybe some people aren’t McCartney or Corden fans, but to actually go the trouble of clicking the Thumbs Down button? Who does that?
VI-Control is sometimes like that. Spitfire might post a “Buy One Get One Free” sale, or maybe about free LABS products, or their new charity thing. Stuff you would think is completely harmless and non-controversial. Posts where 99% of us will think, “Cool. Maybe I’ll get something. Or maybe I won't.”
But ... then there’s that 1% that feels they have to complain about some trivial point and then get into an argument about it, because heaven forbid we don’t all have to hear every thought that pops into their mind. (In fact … what do you want to bet that somebody out there is reading this post right now and is thinking they should post their thoughts that the McCartney video isn’t that great?)
We need to stop that.
Critical posts are allowed on VI-C, of course, so the challenge is how to define which negative posts are helpful and which are not. Here's the thing, though: 99% of the membership here already knows the difference. They know it intuitively. That’s why we’ll often say the forum self-moderates. In fact, I’m hesitant to list a bunch of specific rules, because I don’t want “the 99%” to think they need to change anything, or start worrying about what they post. I want “the 99%” to keep doing exactly what they’re already doing. They make this forum the great place that it is and we don't want to change that.
So the real challenge here is getting the 1% to understand that this post is directed at them. Easier said than done, because unfortunately, people who are being jerks never think they’re the one who is being a jerk. So I’m going to give a few examples which will hopefully help.
1. If people have you on “Ignore,” then we have a problem. No member should have to block or put someone on “Ignore” in order to make their forum visits pleasant.
2. If you’re the kind of person who posts complaints about Spitfire’s marketing, then you’re probably someone who enjoys complaining, rather than just skipping threads that don’t interest you. I’m not saying their campaigns aren’t sometimes annoying, mind you, but it’s only a certain type of person who feels the need to keep saying it.
3. If you think “free speech” includes the right to be annoying, then you misunderstand what “free speech” on VI-Control is about. “Free speech” on VI-Control is limited mostly just to the freedom to be critical (in a fair way) of sample libraries. Free speech in that context is helpful to the community, since we all want to know what hidden shortcomings there might be in a potential purchase. It most certainly does not mean you have the right to trash companies, the forum, other members, or me.
4. Calling someone a “twat” is sometimes okay and sometimes it isn’t. Deal with it. 99% of the membership intuitively knows which is which and has zero problem with a certain “incident” last year. (Note that that post got around a hundred Likes, because most people thought it was appropriate.) If you’re the kind of person who is pissed off about that and sometimes brings up that incident as evidence that the forum is unfair, or biased towards celebrities, then you are in the 1%. I’m tired of seeing that complaint, so bring up that argument again at your own peril.
5. Since I’m on things I get tired of seeing over and over again, if you believe that I make forum decisions based on advertising dollars, then be advised that I consider that to be a personal insult. See this post. Consider this to also be a “post at your own peril” situation, even if you’re posting this accusation on another site.
6. If people see your posts and think, “Ugh. This guy is still arguing the same point over and over,” then that’s a bad thing. I wish I could specify how many is too many, but there is no magic number. Plus, sometimes a debate is healthy and valuable for the rest of us to read. The key is self-awareness. If you’re arguing a point, first think about “Do the other members here really want to read this? Or am I just trying to prove I’m right?” Believe me, it’s much better if you make that determination on your own, rather than moderators making it for you.
7. If you’re writing something negative or controversial, wait a few minutes, or even hours, before posting. Reread, then ask yourself, “Should I really post this?” FWIW, this is advice I often use in my own posts. I wrote the first draft of this post hours ago (while I was still mad that I have to spend my day on this), and believe me, it looked nothing like what you see here now.
8. Spitfire and VSL have specifically asked that we not moderate their threads and that we allow all posts, positive or negative. That’s fine, however there is a difference between fair criticism and someone who is simply being a jerk, so we are going to monitor these threads more closely (I’m now paying someone to do that) and deal with (ban) people who get out of hand. That started a couple weeks ago, someone has already been shown the door, and I think the forum is better because of it.
9. Recognize that the people who run the companies that you may be criticizing are human beings with their own emotions and egos. Even if only 10% of posts are negative, they still hurt. Again, VI-Control is a forum where we do want to be warned about library flaws, and developers do need to accept the fact that not every post will be a rave, but try to understand that the forum isn’t just about you and your needs.
I’m hoping people can recognize themselves in this and help us all out. If not, then our next step will be to ban offenders. (I banned two this morning.) Admittedly, that’s pretty harsh, but I have to do what I have to do. A couple friends advised that I instead do the whole email thing with warnings and explanations, but I know from experience that that just means more arguing. I don’t have time for that, and honestly, it's not worth spending so much of my time on such a small number of troublemakers. So I’m taking a Mister Spock approach - The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. 本帖最后由 allentsei 于 23-5-10 10:20 编辑
以下是引用pianoclack入坛公告:
Welcome to PianoClack!
Hello and Welcome to PianoClack
This is a forum for all piano enthusiasts who also love to chat about the little things in life! The moderation here is minimal and every topic is allowed, especially off-topic since it's what makes us friends ☀️ However, insults, vulgar language and hate speech are not allowed. While we all have different opinions and are welcome to express them freely, let's try to keep the atmosphere friendly and respectful 🕊
CyberGene
Why was this forum created
Since there's some confusion over the history and purpose of this forum, I will repost a quote:
This forum was created after a few people got banned on PianoWorld forums for a pretty mild thing: off-topic. I have been banned on PW myself for off-topic twice, the second time for an entire month. Since I am a software engineer but had never had any real experience with hosting and maintaining a forum/website, I wanted to learn it for fun and to understand what was required to create your own forum. And so, the bans on PW turned out to be a good opportunity for combining my tech-driven curiosity with the idea of offering PW members a space where they can speak their mind without fear. My idea was not to steal people off PW. It was mostly like an off-topic zone to PW, one where people shouldn't be afraid to discuss even politics. (This happens here from time to time and I understand not everyone is happy with reading such topics, so it's pretty easy on this forum to hide topics with a certain tag, e.g. "Politics". There's a sticky explaining how to do that). But anyway, this forum got its own traction and we're still discussing mainly pianos, piano playing, DIY MIDI projects, music, composers - it's all a serious talk about hardcore piano stuff. And a bit of off-topic chat 🙂 When the forum was created, some PW members also registered here. Almost nobody left PW for PianoClack. My idea was never to steal forum members and I've never expected people here should stop using PW.
CyberGene
Limitations for new users
A lot of forums on the Internet suffer from spammers. Our forum is a small one and, as of now, we don't have any full-time moderators, which is why there are some limitations imposed upon the newly registered users:
- Users are considered newbies until they create 5 posts.
- Newbies cannot upload files.
- Newbies cannot start private discussions
- Newbies cannot like posts
- Newbies cannot flag (report) posts
- Newbies can reply in discussions tagged with the "Politics" tag but their posts will go through an approval first
- Newbies can post in other discussions freely without an approval, however there's an automated detection logic that may decide that the post needs to go through an approval anyway (too short content, links to anything but 你吐吧, content that is not English, emails, phone numbers, etc.)
- The above logic will be applicable for the entire first day even if the user creates more than 5 posts (and even if they go through an approval and get approved by the moderators)
Once a user makes more than 5 posts, the limitations are removed (except for the first day scrutiny that may still trigger for a post based on its content and hold it for approval).
以下引用VI-control会员发帖指导:
There’s a 你吐吧 video of James Corden doing a Carpool Karaoke with Paul McCartney. It’s one of the coolest things I’ve ever seen. (Yes, I cried, too.) The cynic in me joked to my wife that as cool as it is, I’ll bet somebody out there gave it a thumbs down. Haha, right? Well, I shouldn’t have checked, because 4,000 peoplevoted thumbs down. 4,000! That’s over one percent! Sure, maybe some people aren’t McCartney or Corden fans, but to actually go the trouble of clicking the Thumbs Down button? Who does that?
VI-Control is sometimes like that. Spitfire might post a “Buy One Get One Free” sale, or maybe about free LABS products, or their new charity thing. Stuff you would think is completely harmless and non-controversial. Posts where 99% of us will think, “Cool. Maybe I’ll get something. Or maybe I won't.”
But ... then there’s that 1% that feels they have to complain about some trivial point and then get into an argument about it, because heaven forbid we don’t all have to hear every thought that pops into their mind. (In fact … what do you want to bet that somebody out there is reading this post right now and is thinking they should post their thoughts that the McCartney video isn’t that great?)
We need to stop that.
Critical posts are allowed on VI-C, of course, so the challenge is how to define which negative posts are helpful and which are not. Here's the thing, though: 99% of the membership here already knows the difference. They know it intuitively. That’s why we’ll often say the forum self-moderates. In fact, I’m hesitant to list a bunch of specific rules, because I don’t want “the 99%” to think they need to change anything, or start worrying about what they post. I want “the 99%” to keep doing exactly what they’re already doing. They make this forum the great place that it is and we don't want to change that.
So the real challenge here is getting the 1% to understand that this post is directed at them. Easier said than done, because unfortunately, people who are being jerks never think they’re the one who is being a jerk. So I’m going to give a few examples which will hopefully help.
1. If people have you on “Ignore,” then we have a problem. No member should have to block or put someone on “Ignore” in order to make their forum visits pleasant.
2. If you’re the kind of person who posts complaints about Spitfire’s marketing, then you’re probably someone who enjoys complaining, rather than just skipping threads that don’t interest you. I’m not saying their campaigns aren’t sometimes annoying, mind you, but it’s only a certain type of person who feels the need to keep saying it.
3. If you think “free speech” includes the right to be annoying, then you misunderstand what “free speech” on VI-Control is about. “Free speech” on VI-Control is limited mostly just to the freedom to be critical (in a fair way) of sample libraries. Free speech in that context is helpful to the community, since we all want to know what hidden shortcomings there might be in a potential purchase. It most certainly does not mean you have the right to trash companies, the forum, other members, or me.
4. Calling someone a “twat” is sometimes okay and sometimes it isn’t. Deal with it. 99% of the membership intuitively knows which is which and has zero problem with a certain “incident” last year. (Note that that post got around a hundred Likes, because most people thought it was appropriate.) If you’re the kind of person who is pissed off about that and sometimes brings up that incident as evidence that the forum is unfair, or biased towards celebrities, then you are in the 1%. I’m tired of seeing that complaint, so bring up that argument again at your own peril.
5. Since I’m on things I get tired of seeing over and over again, if you believe that I make forum decisions based on advertising dollars, then be advised that I consider that to be a personal insult. See this post. Consider this to also be a “post at your own peril” situation, even if you’re posting this accusation on another site.
6. If people see your posts and think, “Ugh. This guy is still arguing the same point over and over,” then that’s a bad thing. I wish I could specify how many is too many, but there is no magic number. Plus, sometimes a debate is healthy and valuable for the rest of us to read. The key is self-awareness. If you’re arguing a point, first think about “Do the other members here really want to read this? Or am I just trying to prove I’m right?” Believe me, it’s much better if you make that determination on your own, rather than moderators making it for you.
7. If you’re writing something negative or controversial, wait a few minutes, or even hours, before posting. Reread, then ask yourself, “Should I really post this?” FWIW, this is advice I often use in my own posts. I wrote the first draft of this post hours ago (while I was still mad that I have to spend my day on this), and believe me, it looked nothing like what you see here now.
8. Spitfire and VSL have specifically asked that we not moderate their threads and that we allow all posts, positive or negative. That’s fine, however there is a difference between fair criticism and someone who is simply being a jerk, so we are going to monitor these threads more closely (I’m now paying someone to do that) and deal with (ban) people who get out of hand. That started a couple weeks ago, someone has already been shown the door, and I think the forum is better because of it.
9. Recognize that the people who run the companies that you may be criticizing are human beings with their own emotions and egos. Even if only 10% of posts are negative, they still hurt. Again, VI-Control is a forum where we do want to be warned about library flaws, and developers do need to accept the fact that not every post will be a rave, but try to understand that the forum isn’t just about you and your needs.
I’m hoping people can recognize themselves in this and help us all out. If not, then our next step will be to ban offenders. (I banned two this morning.) Admittedly, that’s pretty harsh, but I have to do what I have to do. A couple friends advised that I instead do the whole email thing with warnings and explanations, but I know from experience that that just means more arguing. I don’t have time for that, and honestly, it's not worth spending so much of my time on such a small number of troublemakers. So I’m taking a Mister Spock approach - The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. 本帖最后由 allentsei 于 23-5-10 10:20 编辑
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We will NOT go back and delete your posts, we don't have time for that. Your account will also not be deleted but will be deactivated. We may or may not help you alter an individual post if you've realized you made a mistake that can cause someone trouble, but this is up to the moderators. With over 100,000 members and over 3 Million Posts we can't spend all our time fixing things so...
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In general, we try hard to be fair and not overly heavy handed. If you step out of bounds, you will more than likely receive a message from a moderator alerting you to that fact and warning you against future infractions. You should take that warning seriously. Subsequent misbehavior on your part will result in a suspension of your ability to access the forum. The duration of that suspension depends on the nature of the infraction. Note that although you will receive notice of suspension or termination from a single moderator, all suspensions or terminations of access are reviewed by the entire moderating team. 本帖最后由 allentsei 于 23-5-10 10:56 编辑
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We will NOT go back and delete your posts, we don't have time for that. Your account will also not be deleted but will be deactivated. We may or may not help you alter an individual post if you've realized you made a mistake that can cause someone trouble, but this is up to the moderators. With over 100,000 members and over 3 Million Posts we can't spend all our time fixing things so...
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唉 任何事情其实都是在运动中存在 完全的纯粹是不存在的 只能大家都尽量吧。。。
搞艺术的其实是最敏感的一群人 也就是对外界环境的反应非常迅速 内在思维又非常感性 对时政和社会的思考是非常主动的 行业特点 没办法的事儿 而选择在这个地方讨论一些事儿 其实本身只是在寻找大致对等的人群去更有效率的得到共鸣或者是思想碰撞 而本身并没有特别明显的主张和明确的实施事实 我看到的大部分敏感的帖子 其实都是相对非常温和的 主观上并没有恶意和故意 只是实在不吐不快或者想寻找共情 以及寻找同类人群的看法 。。。。。 但是这个论坛的维持来之不易 统治阶层对思想的控制又这么霸道 有什么办法呢 相权之下 还是保证论坛的正常为先 都收着一点点 点破不说破。。。
其实外部网络中有更大的空间和效率 有自己想法的 想做点什么的 尽量把纯粹的输出用在更大空间和更有效率的地方去---志同道合的人的碰撞 能带来更有效率的结论 结论性的产生其实不适合无限制的广而告之之下的无序讨论 首先要寻找到相同人群然后内部讨论 更容易得到想要的定论和共识 而空间广阔的地方 更适合表达你想表达的所有 以及达到你的目的---广而告之的 永远是你的定论和目的 而定论和目的 不产生于无限制的讨论---想好自己想做什么 目的是什么 怎么做
最后再多说一层 首先要打破一些人的相对比较幼稚的看法 得民心者得天下 水能载舟亦能覆舟 这些话 其实都是忽悠人的屁话 信这些就幼稚到家了 载舟的水不是指民 而是权力实施机构 得天下的也不是得民心的 而是得到权力和可以施展权力 这才是事实真相----你的所有想法 诉求 你对合理与否的判断 其实都不会因为你说了而得到结果----所以 你首先要确定你是怎么想的 判断对不对 确定了就去更有目的性的去表达 去得到有效结果----而不是“无目的”的讨论 倾诉 ----因为它没有结果
本帖最后由 沉默的大象 于 23-5-10 12:19 编辑
搞艺术的其实是最敏感的一群人 也就是对外界环境的反应非常迅速 内在思维又非常感性 对时政和社会的思考是非常主动的 行业特点 没办法的事儿 而选择在这个地方讨论一些事儿 其实本身只是在寻找大致对等的人群去更有效率的得到共鸣或者是思想碰撞 而本身并没有特别明显的主张和明确的实施事实 我看到的大部分敏感的帖子 其实都是相对非常温和的 主观上并没有恶意和故意 只是实在不吐不快或者想寻找共情 以及寻找同类人群的看法 。。。。。 但是这个论坛的维持来之不易 统治阶层对思想的控制又这么霸道 有什么办法呢 相权之下 还是保证论坛的正常为先 都收着一点点 点破不说破。。。
其实外部网络中有更大的空间和效率 有自己想法的 想做点什么的 尽量把纯粹的输出用在更大空间和更有效率的地方去---志同道合的人的碰撞 能带来更有效率的结论 结论性的产生其实不适合无限制的广而告之之下的无序讨论 首先要寻找到相同人群然后内部讨论 更容易得到想要的定论和共识 而空间广阔的地方 更适合表达你想表达的所有 以及达到你的目的---广而告之的 永远是你的定论和目的 而定论和目的 不产生于无限制的讨论---想好自己想做什么 目的是什么 怎么做
最后再多说一层 首先要打破一些人的相对比较幼稚的看法 得民心者得天下 水能载舟亦能覆舟 这些话 其实都是忽悠人的屁话 信这些就幼稚到家了 载舟的水不是指民 而是权力实施机构 得天下的也不是得民心的 而是得到权力和可以施展权力 这才是事实真相----你的所有想法 诉求 你对合理与否的判断 其实都不会因为你说了而得到结果----所以 你首先要确定你是怎么想的 判断对不对 确定了就去更有目的性的去表达 去得到有效结果----而不是“无目的”的讨论 倾诉 ----因为它没有结果
本帖最后由 沉默的大象 于 23-5-10 12:19 编辑