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什么叫母带处理,形而上学吗?试问中国唱片...???

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#1 06-2-21 03:41

什么叫母带处理,形而上学吗?试问中国唱片...???

由SACD到DSD等等处理形式以来,唱片上总要有个字眼,此碟通过XX处理,才代表是牛B的。哎!
       昨天我到一家很上眼的店买了张我喜欢的宝儿的〈亚特兰蒂斯  少女〉引进“正版”唱片(绝对正版),出自于有名的唱片公司----XW。我很高兴的拿回家听。我有好几张宝儿的唱片,但听这张我觉得很奇怪,声音怎么这样啊???声音发劈,听起来好象我的耳朵失了聪。各个频段都很满,音量也很大呀,但为什么我好象没力,听不见呢?我还以为我的耳朵出问题了。HEHE。我想到我好象有这张的盗版碟,于是马上找出来听听,呵呵!!!奇怪了,很清楚啊,音色饱满,很有力,听着舒服         真舒服。
       为什么?为什么?为什么?为什么?为什么?为什么?为什么?为什么?
       请问各位大师,请问国人,引进的东西是否没做好?是否没做过母带处理就被引进了呢?我在碟的内页封底看到了这样一行字:母带处理:XX   人。呵呵,我想问题可能出在这里。这个xx人应该是中国的,因为是中国人名,但这碟不是在中国做的呀。等等...很多问题显示这个母带处理是引进后加做的。为了更加准确的证实,我叫我的韩国朋友(他是PAMS组织成员),在网上给我发了一首韩国版的过来对比。听后感觉和盗版的是一样的,声音很好。
      
       我想引进本身并没有错误,他给我们带来了,不同于我们的思维,不同于我们的音乐美,也是我们学习处理音乐的例。但,画蛇加脚...的这种做法是否各位都会对这家唱片公司失望呢(这种画蛇加脚方式很多公司都存在)?我们要怎样来支持正版引进。这样的引进唱片给我们带来的是什么?

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#2 06-2-21 07:48
引进CD还没做母带??我一直都以为是全部都做好了~~引进只是版权只类的事呢~~

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#3 06-2-21 08:10
1. What is mastering?

Mastering is the final step in the recording process, where all the songs are checked for errors and the album is prepared for retail sale. This preparation can include a number of things, but usually involves some sort of additional processing (or "sweetening" as many places like to call it) in order to make songs sound clearer and better. There are a great deal of personal tricks used by various mastering engineers which in part contributes to some of the mystique surrounding their practices. Processing is almost always done on the final mixes, not individual tracks. An example of said processing would be running a song through a powerful and transparent equalizer in order to properly balance the track. Oftentimes, additional compression and limiting is applied to the final mixes in order to give them a more "commercial" sound. In addition to this extra last check processing, more mundane tasks such as properly sequencing the song orders, crossfade editing, and PQ coding takes place as here as well.


2. What do I bring to mastering? What should I expect in return?

If you plan on taking your mixes to an outside source to get them mastered, ask them what formats they accept. Most big facilities should be able to accomodate pretty much anything. The idea is that you will bring/send them your final mixes in whichever format/sample rate that you have that sounds the best. Oftentimes, the engineer will let you sit in on the session and allow you to give them your input while they work. Once the engineer is done, the ultimate goal is usually the burning of a premaster copy of your cd (along with a PQ printout for the plant) which can be sent to a CD duplication plant along with your artwork, etc. There the glass mastering takes place and your thousands or however amount of CDs should be made. Now of course, many mastering facilities are quite flexible, so if you only need mp3s of your songs or some audio restoration you wont necessarily need a premaster CD.


3. Why shouldn't I master my own material?

Mastering your own material is considered a faux-pau because in general people have no idea what the hell they are doing. Also, if you're preparing your music for a serious release, it is very important that you let someone else master your work. The standard reasons for this being that you dont have impartial ears, you have poor monitoring conditions, lesser converters and processors, and not as much experience. Mastering and mixing require different types of listening and a fresh set of EXPERIENCED ears helps a lot.

NOTE: If you do plan on sending your songs to outside mastering, do NOT:
1) Add extra compression/EQ on the final mix...let the mastering engineer do this...it's what you're paying them for.
2) Try to do any sort of normalizing...once again let the engineer handle this, give them some headroom to work with.
If you're just trying to give your engineer an idea of how you want to sound make them a separate set of your mixes and send them along with your untouched mixes.


4. What kind of gear is used in mastering?

Without saying, the most important piece of gear used in mastering is the Engineer's ears. Nevertheless, mastering gear has to be of the highest quality in order to maintain audio integrity at all times. Some commonly used procesors in the mastering studio would be from such companies as Manley, Sontec, and Crane Song for analog and Weiss, Z-systems, and Waves (L2) for digital. Monitoring is usually done on accurate (re: expensive) full range monitoring systems in acoustically treated rooms. Room acoustics are especially important in mastering studios as mixing rooms are frequently flawed. As far as editing goes, the most commonly used DAWs used are Sonic Solutions and Sadie. Other systems such as Audio Cube, Pryamix, and Sequoia are also becoming more popular. Some cheaper programs such as Wavelab, Sonic Foundry, and Cool Edit Pro can also be used to burn cdr premasters in redbook format. It should also be noted that in up-scale mastering facilites pretty much no processing is done on the computer, rather routed through outboard gear before hitting the DAW for final editing and burning.


5. I really want to master my own material, what should I do?

If you're just working on your own songs for fun, there is absolutely no reason why you cant go ahead and try to "master" them yourself. The majority of the budget mastering tools come in the form of plugins, directx or TDM. There are a good amount of such plugins nowadays designed especially for use on final mixes and these would probably provide better results then using cheap outboard gear. Some examples of such plugins would be T-racks, Izotope's Ozone, and Waves Gold and Mastering plugins. As long as you dont get carried away and end up trying to use every function or processor you can get your hands on you can do a decent quality job (although it probably wont sound "professional").


6. What are the differences between recording studios and mastering studios?

There is a reason why the best mastering studios are separate from recording studios. Your typical mixing room is not optimally acoustically designed as you have big consoles and racks that get in the way and cause problems. Since mastering engineers as generally considered specialists their gear choices also tend to me much more personal then recording studios which need name brand equipment like ProTools and Genelecs to impress clients. In general you should be wary when a recording studio offers "in house mastering", because oftentimes they just throw some plugins on your songs while listening to them on the same speakers they were mixed on. Unless the studio has a separate mastering room, such "in house mastering" is probably only a marketing tool to get more business.


7. How much does mastering cost?

Mastering costs can vary greatly depending on where you go. How much they charge generally reflects their previous clientele, quality of gear, and experience. Most high end facilities will end up charging between $400-600 dollars for a mastering job taking around 4-8 hours. Most places charge by the hour, so adjust accordingly if you have a lot of material or it needs alot of work. There are cheaper places and more expensive places which dont necessarily reflect the quality you will get out of them. If you're looking around just talk to the engineer and make sure he/she knows what they're doing and what you're specific goals are.

8. How do I use __(insert effect such as EQ, compressor here) in mastering?

Use your ears! There are no set rules such as what ratio and threshold to set your compressor or what levels to set your songs at. Don't overdo anything, chances are if you hear an audible difference then you've used too much. Compare your "masters" with non-touched mixes at EQUAL volume. If you're having trouble getting started with the EQ look up one of the EQ primers floating around the web. Just use your ears and if you're monitoring system isnt very good, double check on a range of different speakers.

Thats all I can think of off the top of my head...let me know if you have any other questions.

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#4 06-2-21 09:06
楼主别抱怨了,我还碰到过,我做好的专辑拿到压盘厂,人家统一给我加了混响呢。很多国内的录音师,现在做出来的东西都不错,也许可以打90分,但是,如果在国内的压盘厂做,出来的东西可能就只剩下60分了。

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#5 06-2-21 09:50
我这里送光盘厂的母盘,不管是音乐碟,还是语音碟,全部不准动
要敢动我做好的东西,QC的时候我绝对填不合格,他们一分钱都别想拿到

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#6 06-2-21 10:11
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#7 06-2-21 10:19
这个90分我也不敢苟同呀,呵呵

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#8 06-2-21 10:35
原帖由 yyy 于 2006-2-21 10:11 发表
90分,,,,得了吧你

没礼貌!
在这儿说????得了吧你

12588
#9 06-2-21 11:33
原帖由 yyy 于 2006-2-21 02:11 发表
90分,,,,得了吧你


这位马甲同志,你玩够了吗?

12588
#10 06-2-21 11:34
原帖由 athlonxp_0 于 2006-2-21 02:19 发表
这个90分我也不敢苟同呀,呵呵


为什么呢?我这个90分仅仅是一个比喻。有什么不对的呢?并不是说真的国内的作品都能达到90分。另外,就算说国内的作品能达到90分,也没错啊,看怎么比了,如果以国内最好的作品为100分的话,那么,的确有很多作品能够得到90分啊

566
#11 06-2-21 11:40
画蛇添足的事情中国人干得多了!
不足为奇

4951
#12 06-2-21 12:15
kinghand哥的意思明白了~~~~不过国内这几年我觉得水平已经越来越高了,这就足够了~~总得有个过程。

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#13 06-2-21 12:15
很难想象压盘长怎么可以擅自加混响。。。。。。。很难想象。。。。。他凭什么。。。。

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#14 06-2-21 12:29
……形而上学?

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#15 06-2-21 12:46
没办法,大的政治体制造成的。记得当年我第一次踏进上海中唱的时候,就曾经为他们的林立的部门而感到迷惑,什么发行科,销售科...........甚至还有幼儿园。后来才知道,引进一盘专集,如果“技术”部门没什么做的话可不好向领导交差。
呵呵。
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